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Post by Deek on Feb 16, 2007 0:24:03 GMT 1
I must have a word with my boss(myself !!) about getting a day off for training although he is a bit hard to talk to ;D. Some lovely pjamas in M and S  I got some for xmas ;D |
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Post by Baldy Welshy on Feb 16, 2007 13:42:37 GMT 1
Them winter racers, they make me so mad, why do you think I spend my winters in Manchester!
So, here's my two penneth worth...
I rode a reliability ride from Carrick here a few years ago and I was speechless. It was like a road race. In February !!
Here in England it is absolutely compulsory to have a winter bike and ride slowly at this time of year. There is nobody, and I really do mean nobody, on a summer bike sprinting for 30 signs. Anyone who ups the pace gets bombarded with abuse.
Its all about long rides at this time of the year. Stay aerobic to build up endurance and aerobic capacity. When this is right, then the foundation is there to put the hammer down and up the intensity and get some real benefits.
Its like baking a cake, the base miles is the cake, the intensity is the icing on the top. The more base the better the cake. Go too hard too early and you're icing too small a cake.
In my opinion, there should always be a purpose to every ride and so they should be either :
a. long and slow
b. short and fast
Trying to do both means acheiving neither and you will always be doing medium distances at medium speeds.
It takes more dicipline to ride slowly than fast. But then I'm not doing any cycling at all this year, so I'm in no positon to preach....
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Post by richb on Feb 16, 2007 14:15:07 GMT 1
John, This country is barbaric how you must wish that all your time could be spent riding your bike in England with polite folk with their mudguards scraping the road, stopping for a refreshing cup of tea and cucumber sandwich. Instead you are stuck clinging on for dear life whilst some hallion tries to take your winter scalp as you suck down on the muck being thrown from the wheel in front |
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Post by Bob P on Feb 16, 2007 20:08:38 GMT 1
Bob Serious enough to be out in that horrendous weather this evening! You were spotted in the lashing rain in Annahilt, at least I think it was you!! I can identify with the not taking it seriously enough, hard to fit everything in tho! After my day in work that was wee buns |
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Post by Bob P on Feb 16, 2007 20:11:48 GMT 1
I must have a word with my boss(myself !!) about getting a day off for training although he is a bit hard to talk to ;D. Some lovely pjamas in M and S I got some for xmas ;D Since when did Noleen allow you to call yourself boss? |
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Post by Bob P on Feb 16, 2007 20:18:41 GMT 1
Them winter racers, they make me so mad, why do you think I spend my winters in Manchester! So, here's my two penneth worth... Its like baking a cake, the base miles is the cake, the intensity is the icing on the top. The more base the better the cake. Go too hard too early and you're icing too small a cake. Very well put John, as usual. Would this make any good result achieved early in the season "wee buns"?  |
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Post by evelknievel on Feb 16, 2007 21:10:57 GMT 1
heres one for yous all to answer!!!!!. why have races at the start of the year if every one is ment to ride about at 15mph av when the races at the start of the year average speed is 25mph and more or less stays at this average right to the end of the year. i tell yous what any club man that wants to race this year that has not raced much in the past, continue to ride about at 15 or 16 mph before the racing starts and lets see how long he or she will last in the race before being sput out the back......... keep her lit
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Post by Bob P on Feb 16, 2007 23:09:13 GMT 1
the easiest way to answer that is this.
take note of your finish position against others as the season progresses.
If you had went to the Millbrook Lodge over the past 2 saturdays you could have asked questions like this direct.
If you had been there last year you would have learned the best way to get back in after being spat out, perhaps due to a puncture.
Steve, no offense, but i for one have no problem learning form the experience of others, especially when they all seem to agree.
As for the racing season starting when it does you just have to wonder.
You start the season with marshals walking up the road with saxa salt to clear the ice and end in 20 degrees. something not right about that.
Hairbears have done remarkable things in a year, time to move to the next level.
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Post by swallace1 on Feb 17, 2007 3:19:45 GMT 1
Bob & Stevie - "calm down, calm down, calm down lads" Regarding training intensity - you could both be right!!! It depends very much on a number of variables. i) Who your parents are! genetics dictate the level you begin at & how well you improve with training. Because of inherited traits some people possess a high aerobic capacity & are more responsive to training (Great Cardiorespiratory system) ii)Principles of Training adhered to - Progression/Overload & recovery (age)/ adaption/reversibility/specificity and of course within any training programme consideration must be given to Frequency/Intensity/Time/Type - FITT Cycling Weekly article on principles of training www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitness/Fitness_Principles_of_training_article_85982.htmliii) What are your fitness levels now - are you only beginning Winter training or have you been Winter training from last Oct /Nov, i.e. solid base miles and progressively increasing the intensity iv) What your goals for the season are. If it is to be flying for the first races of the season in a few weeks time averaging 25mph, well that is the intensity of training you need to have been doing recently. Stevie is correct in stating that riding at a lower speed will not prepare you for a much higher intense pace. Training must be specific. Or is it to be competitive for a number of events throughout the year? If that is the case then periodisation should be used i.e. planning your training to peak and trough throughout the season for these specific events Whatever people are doing, avg 15 or 25mph have a good weekend on the bike. Me? well after more or less recovered from back trouble since just before Xmas, which led to inconsistent training, I now have the Flu & chest infection (and no it is not man flu, been in bed since last weekend) so will not see the bike for at least another week/fortnight. When I get back I will definitely be cycling at 15 MPH!!! |
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Post by hairbear on Feb 17, 2007 9:31:30 GMT 1
good man MR SWALLACE a different outlook on things, makes a lot of sense. if every one was to train exactly the same well then every one would be the same. wouldn.t that make it boring, maybe bob an stevie should train the way they want an then when they thing they fit enough have a race, hopefully that would seatle this once an for all.every one is made different what works for 1 maynot work for the other.
p.s hope your better soon. keep er lit!
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Post by evelknievel on Feb 17, 2007 21:39:54 GMT 1
i think we should all agree with swallace. i was out today with ronnie, gary,and hamliton, a good mornings craic guys... riding on the flat at a steady 25 and 26mph and hamilton and gary sticking in there"top guys" keep her lit
hair bear
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Post by Bob P on Feb 18, 2007 22:52:58 GMT 1
riding on the flat at a steady 25 and 26mph and hamilton and gary sticking in there"top guys" keep her lit hair bear impressive pushing on heavy winter bikes  |
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Post by Bob P on Feb 18, 2007 23:01:46 GMT 1
Bob & Stevie - "calm down, calm down, calm down lads" iii) What are your fitness levels now - are you only beginning Winter training or have you been Winter training from last Oct /Nov, i.e. solid base miles and progressively increasing the intensityI think this may be where the lack of understanding is. |
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Post by garyg on Feb 21, 2007 22:09:42 GMT 1
Now we're getting somewhere (Thanks to Swallace), I sense a meeting of minds, or at least an understanding of each others positions.
I say the measure of a good Club is where all have the freedom to explore different disciplines, at differing levels and for all to exist in harmony.
I have admiration for all and count everyone as my friends in this excellent sport.
'Plough your own furrow and respect another's furrow'
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I got some for xmas ;D
